In this episode, Travis and Brandonn discuss complexities of inducing change within a business environment, particularly concerning team members' mindset and behavior. They share personal experiences, expressing frustration at the difficulty of fostering lasting change despite efforts to train and support individuals. The conversation revolves around whether inherent character traits can truly be altered and if sustained transformation is achievable. While they acknowledge instances of progress, they’re ultimately skeptical about the ability of individuals to fundamentally change. They emphasize the importance of aligning mindset with organizational goals, particularly in leadership roles, and highlight the necessity of recognizing the limitations of change.